Something for you americans to consider

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Something for you americans to consider

http://www.revell.com/News_Viewer.news1+M52af45614a7.0.html

Not only would this affect plastic model makers, but it would'nt be a stretch to say it could affect computer games.

I'm not american, but these products of course make their way into canada and no doubt all over the world.

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ROFL they have been trying to do that ???

My word I thought they had better sense.

If the P51 Mustang served our country it's should be public domain, with the plans for building the thing in the hands of the goverment/military and the companies that built her to fight for her nations people.

And it shouldn't cost them any thing more then to go dig up some concept sketchs and download a few picitures if they want to design a toy of the darn thing.

That reminds me, I've still got a model kit of a F-14A Tomcat I never finshed next to the NCC-1701.

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I do alot of 1:48 scale WWII aircraft modelling myself. I recently got a game called Pacific Fighters. Though it would not be directly affected by this legislation (even if it extends to computer stuff) because the company that made it is not in the US, it is a good example of what these military companies are doing. The game has flyable versions of the Grumman Wildcat and Hellcat, but there was some kind of conflict when it came to the Avenger. Apparently Northrop/Grumman kicked up a fuss and an additional fee had to be paid by the developer. In the end the Avenger was never completed as a flyable aircraft in the game, it is AI only. That sucks.

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i see the owrld crashing and burning down all due to greedy corporate members as they only care about themselves adn their money. they may say the ycare about their consumer but thats a must has they have to care jus tenough to get the money from us

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i see the owrld crashing and burning down all due to greedy corporate members as they only care about themselves adn their money. they may say the ycare about their consumer but thats a must has they have to care jus tenough to get the money from us

They should learn from the Open Source community. (Software/Computer thing)

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Ow. I can smell the angry mobs of laywers on the horizon over this one. If that bill doesn't pass, phew, there's going to be massive legal battle to see if the royalities all companies must pay up will be retroactive. And that's not kosher as it could be the death kneel for the tatical genre for table top and video gaming.

Open sourcing and Public Domain can't be compared to this fashion. Open Source software generaly hits the net from some unnamed coder with no parent company giving support of control nor is protected by a copy right or patent. Public Domain materials are physical items that at one time been protected by Copy Right laws or Patents but have pasted the expiration date given by the protection clauses and is put into public domain for the community to copy, use, or resell or for private firms to aquire the rights for personal use (given if you have the money resources to pay the hefty legal action to do so).

And if the bill fails to pass, the game studio itself and its publisher will be affected by this whole situation directly. It is not immune from the chaos due to the fact that the company itself deals with selling products inside the USA via an American publisher. As such the company will have to face the tune and dance of USA business and trade laws like any other corporation both national or international that holds business inside any of the 50 States.

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Ow. I can smell the angry mobs of laywers on the horizon over this one. If that bill doesn't pass, phew, there's going to be massive legal battle to see if the royalities all companies must pay up will be retroactive. And that's not kosher as it could be the death kneel for the tatical genre for table top and video gaming.

Open sourcing and Public Domain can't be compared to this fashion. Open Source software generaly hits the net from some unnamed coder with no parent company giving support of control nor is protected by a copy right or patent. Public Domain materials are physical items that at one time been protected by Copy Right laws or Patents but have pasted the expiration date given by the protection clauses and is put into public domain for the community to copy, use, or resell or for private firms to aquire the rights for personal use (given if you have the money resources to pay the hefty legal action to do so).

And if the bill fails to pass, the game studio itself and its publisher will be affected by this whole situation directly. It is not immune from the chaos due to the fact that the company itself deals with selling products inside the USA via an American publisher. As such the company will have to face the tune and dance of USA business and trade laws like any other corporation both national or international that holds business inside any of the 50 States.

You obiously have not seen much OSS since like , well who knows when. While some coder might "scratch" a personal itch ether by creating a program or working on a project, or even contribuating to a programs development there are many programs that are made by groups of coders, writers, testers e.t.c., from things the size of an Operating System such as the BSD's, to as small as a media player or word processor.

Most is actually licensed under a license of some sort. Note worthy exsamples being the GNU Software and MANY MANY programs under the GPL, the BSD, MIT, and X Style licenses e.t.c.

And I would stake any bit of software in the OSS community aganst any Closed Source program.

In all my travel all I have not been able to match are ATI Video Card Drivers that are worth a dang. (ATI will not release enough information, or work on themselfs making drivers for non Windows systems)

Support is usally provided in Documentation, Mailing Lists, and Forums. For a few things (including linux based distros) you can some time find people offering comercial support.

Just to list a few:
Linux Kernel + Distros ()
Free, Net, Open, PC, Desktop, Dragonfly BSD's
GNU HURD Kernel.
TheGIMP (95% as good as photoshop)
MPlayer (WMP 10 eat your guts out)
XMMS (Winamp wishs it was this good)
AbiWord wordprocessor
OpenOffice.org suite
StarOffice
Firefox
Thunderbird
Mozilla
SeaMonkey
GNU Compiler Collection, practically a standard of compiler tools IMHO.
Many IDE's for programing.
The entire GNU and BSD Userland.
KDE, Gnome, WindowMaker and countless other GUI's (Think what you see when you log into Windows)
X Windows System (Along with a Window manager allows Unix like OSes to use Windows and stuff)
XEmacs text editor
ClamAV Anti Virus.

Just a few that come to mind that I'm sure, or sure enough involve several to many coders involved.

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Spidey. I have and use GenToo from time to time as a private intranet file server for my household. Like all other Linux products you can purchase them for 49.99 or simply download them but the priced verisons gives you a very mild and very un-uniformed tech support that still relies on the community of users making their own patches, hardware support updates program definations, and bug report pages. There is no true company giving offical soild support for the product like Apple or Mircosoft's OS's brands. it's all done via fan/user base with gruellia business tatics on publishing. Plus the EULA documentation does not always give offical support to a Open Source project. Contrary, most Open Source items are use at your own risk (this includes Firefox and Mozilla) for due reason of the code's behavior may not be satisfactory on certain hardware setups or could have security flaws in the core coding.

As for ATi, your rant is only held true to the Radeon 8000 series of cards. Catalyst drivers have been greatly improved since then and the rant holds no merit in today's market. I pity anyone who uses thrid party drivers like Omega drivers for their cards as these are unsupported by the card's warranty and no tech support will be given if the thrid party driver is at fault for the card's failure. I use ATi for my gaming and Nvidia for my server and even Nvidia has issues rendering certain titles on certain setups and settings and will warn consumers this on the readme.doc link near the download link just like ATi does. Both companies always report what games are having problems with the latest driver verison thanks to QA testing these days.

But the thing is you missed my point. Public Domain does not mean Open Sourced. It means any business or private individual can obtain the legal rights to the item in question in a move to use the item in part of a business operation. Books and music rights are generaly purchased by artists due to preventing any legal conflicts happening if an artistic project is created or to obtain royalities if the book goes back into print or the song is played. For example, a European artist recently purchased the book rights to The War of The Worlds to create a musical animation based word for word on the orginal book. Since this person has the rights, no one else can make their own project based off the book without paying him a royalty fee, if he wishes to pursue so. That's something that does not happen in the Open source code community.

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The last three posts made my eyes bleed.

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Spidey. I have and use GenToo from time to time as a private intranet file server for my household. Like all other Linux products you can purchase them for 49.99 or simply download them but the priced verisons gives you a very mild and very un-uniformed tech support that still relies on the community of users making their own patches, hardware support updates program definations, and bug report pages. There is no true company giving offical soild support for the product like Apple or Mircosoft's OS's brands. it's all done via fan/user base with gruellia business tatics on publishing. Plus the EULA documentation does not always give offical support to a Open Source project. Contrary, most Open Source items are use at your own risk (this includes Firefox and Mozilla) for due reason of the code's behavior may not be satisfactory on certain hardware setups or could have security flaws in the core coding.

As for ATi, your rant is only held true to the Radeon 8000 series of cards. Catalyst drivers have been greatly improved since then and the rant holds no merit in today's market. I pity anyone who uses thrid party drivers like Omega drivers for their cards as these are unsupported by the card's warranty and no tech support will be given if the thrid party driver is at fault for the card's failure. I use ATi for my gaming and Nvidia for my server and even Nvidia has issues rendering certain titles on certain setups and settings and will warn consumers this on the readme.doc link near the download link just like ATi does. Both companies always report what games are having problems with the latest driver verison thanks to QA testing these days.

But the thing is you missed my point. Public Domain does not mean Open Sourced. It means any business or private individual can obtain the legal rights to the item in question in a move to use the item in part of a business operation. Books and music rights are generaly purchased by artists due to preventing any legal conflicts happening if an artistic project is created or to obtain royalities if the book goes back into print or the song is played. For example, a European artist recently purchased the book rights to The War of The Worlds to create a musical animation based word for word on the orginal book. Since this person has the rights, no one else can make their own project based off the book without paying him a royalty fee, if he wishes to pursue so. That's something that does not happen in the Open source code community.

Actually I totally ignored the public domain subject, I don't have any real exp with that. Open Source is not Public Domain, I'm not brain dead.

I have oh most [u]never[/u] seen any software that was not use at your own risk, be it OSS or Closed Source or Comercial inless it was comercial. Which brings me to my 5th paragraph.

My knowedge of ATI Drivers under Linux are null, I only know about the FreeBSD Drivers - most people with ATI Cards and *BSD have had problems. As long as I've used upto date NVidia drivers I have not had any true problems. Considering their relation to the Kernel I doubt writing Linux drivers are the same as BSD ones - I wish it was maybe I could get a OSS Driver for my sound card instead of a ALSA one.

Most OSS OSes i've seen offers disks for sale (Aside from a few beta ones I know). Infact if the operating system (Kernel, Userland, Distro supplied packages) are all GPL, compatible, or simular license - The distro people have the right to sell it, and the guy they sell it to has the right to give it to his friend. Along with source code if any party who wants it.

Support may be based off the communities exp. But how is that diffrent then calling someone on the phone who only has a book and a computer for testing things??? The ammount of time I've spent with MS, nemouris games/isps tech support, I'd sooner go ask some one whose had the same problem I do, or knows about it. What's in the knoledge bases are from user exp. Or from Testers both of which you will find in OSS (Although the community and documentation takes the placeof a database).

Ever read the man pages on your Gentoo? I read them all the time on FreeBSD.

man ls That is pretty informitive to me, and if you can't read it telling them that ls lists the files in the directory is good enough by me.

Telling them how to compile software or use package management util is documentatoin.

Getting packages that does not work is the problem in the package.

Unix was written by programmers for programmers, and the Unix like systems that have followed it are become more friendly to the "newbie" every day. If you want one in particlar, google PC-BSD.

And I can't type any more!

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The last three posts made my eyes bleed.

Make that 4 then.

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So sorry adze.

Maybe you should see a doctor?